Larry Hodges vs. Sai Kwok

Match End Video

2004 SoCal Open Table Tennis Team Tournament

Singles 

San Diego, California

10 October 2004

Larry Hodges vs. Sai Kwok

 

 

 

Larry Hodges vs. Penhold Player - Point -  wmv Video -  (1 Mbytes, 11 Seconds)

 

Larry Hodges vs. Sai Kwok - Match End - wmv Video -  (11 Mbytes, 1:56 Minutes)

 

2004 SoCal Open Tournament Write-up - by Alan Williams

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From:  Larrytt (LARRYTT1)  Staff  9:56 am 
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  1115.2 in reply to 1115.1 

Terrific. One of my worst losses, and we get to see a few of my worst points, near the end of the match where I'm exhausted and practically standing straight up. Note that I played Sai Kwok earlier in the tournament and won 3-1, then lost this one 11-9 in the seventh (we see the last few points, and a lot of toweling). He is rated 2057.

-Larry Hodges

 
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From:  Robert Trudell (MESAPONG)   10:34 am 
To:  Larrytt (LARRYTT1)  (3 of 4) 
  1115.3 in reply to 1115.2 

> Terrific. One of my worst losses, and we get to see a few of my worst points, near the end of the match where I'm exhausted and practically standing straight up.

Yes, I wish there was more footage from the match.

Of course looking at it from Sai Kwok's perspective, maybe it's one of his best wins. He seems happy at the end.

Sometimes I wonder if you intentionally over-dramatize some of your behaviors as seen in the end of this video. To me it appears sort of comical the way you stand in disbelief after the last point and later the way you toss the paddle case on the table. Are these natural actions or maybe something that may have developed from dramatizing defeat to kids?

I think I have a couple additional matches of yours from this SoCal Tournament.

--Rob

 
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From:  Larrytt (LARRYTT1)  Staff  10:42 am 
To:  Robert Trudell (MESAPONG)  (4 of 4) 
  1115.4 in reply to 1115.3 

>Sometimes I wonder if you intentionally over-dramatize some of your behaviors as seen in the end of this video. To me it appears sort of comical the way you stand in disbelief after the last point and later the way you toss the paddle case on the table.

Let's just say that I still can't believe how much slower my feet are then they used to be.

>I think I have a couple additional matches of yours from this SoCal Tournament.

I did have an 8,8,9 win over Doan Le (2173), and a close -9,9,9,12 loss to Tuan Le (2342).

-Larry Hodges

 
 
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Larry Hodges vs. Sai Kwok

> http://tt.mainstreet.net/ttoutpost/Larry_Hodges_vs_Sai_Kwok_SoCal2004.htm

 

--Rob



another example of an illegal serve by Hodges...as the ball is not *displayed* to the opponent in a flat open palm......also..serving long and getting rocked for an easy point to lose the match is indicative of Larry's true level when it counts the most...about 800 Canadian.

out...

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I do believe that they removed the "flat palm" rule a while ago.

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Terrific. One of my worst losses, and we get to see a few of my worst points, near the end of the match where I'm exhausted and practically standing straight up. Note that I played Sai Kwok earlier in the tournament and won 3-1, then lost this one 11-9 in the seventh (we see the last few points, and a lot of toweling). He is rated 2057.

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Don't sweat too much Larry, you can't em all.

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From SthokieMesssage 19687.4
To  Larrytt (larrytt1)     

Larry,

It can't be worse than your loss to my friend Xiaoguang Wen (unrated at the time -2036 after the tournament - and had not played in over a year) in the Stiga Virginia Tournament at UVA in March. I believe he beat you 3-0 in the Final of the Over 40 Event. He just made you look silly without even moving much away from the table.

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5 of 10     Posted Oct-6 7:50 PM Msg 19687.5 reply to 19687.1 CLegout
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That was ass.
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6 of 10     Posted Oct-6 7:51 PM Msg 19687.6 reply to 19687.4 Larrytt (larrytt1)
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>It can't be worse than your loss to my friend Xiaoguang Wen (unrated at the time -2036 after the tournament - and had not played in over a year) in the Stiga Virginia Tournament at UVA in March. I believe he beat you 3-0 in the Final of the Over 40 Event. He just made you look silly without even moving much away from the table.

And I'm sure you have some contructive purpose in this posting? Whatever. What you fail to mention is that it was my 15th (and last) match of the day. I think you should give me some slack. I was utterly exhausted. I won the first 12 in a row, all 3-0,  then lost the last three as I was barely able to move. (The match stats are all online, by the way.) I'd also just finished playing Raghu Nadmichettu (2154, but recently as high as 2290), twice, back to back matches, and lost two long matches, the 14th match a long comeback where after being down 0-2, I made it into the 5th, and then nearly collapsed in exhaustion. (He's been playing me since he was a little kid.)

I'm sure you could comb over my match record and find other bad losses, if that's what gives you kicks.

-Larry Hodges


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8 of 10     Posted Oct-6 8:32 PM Msg 19687.8 reply to 19687.7 smittysan89
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Wow, CLegout you are just an a ss arent you? Is that what you thrive on? Probably.

At least he is admiting his faults. He needs to be in better shape and he knows it. He isnt saying anything else. Why dont you stfu CLegout and go to a tourney and show your results?
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>At least he is admiting his faults. He needs to be in better shape and he knows it. He isnt saying anything else.

I've got plenty of weaknesses, and getting slower and more out of shape in recent years leads the list. I also play my backhand too soft, have trouble with certain serves, and when pressed, don't generate great spin with my loop. I can name other weaknesses. Unfortunately, I don't have time to practice much anymore, so my tournament results suffer.

>Why dont you stfu CLegout and go to a tourney and show your results?

I'm pretty busy with work right now, but I'll put up half the cost (up to $300 or so) towards Clegout's (Mark Gorse) air fair to come out here and play me a match this weekend for $1000. I was in Vancouver in January, and clobbered him 10 -1 in games. It's his turn to come here. Or he can come to a 4-star USATT Tournament, and I'll play him a match for $1000. Offer is good until the USA Nationals in December, but he has to agree to it by this weekend. I'm almost 46, I'm out of shape, he should have no problem with me, right? :)

-Larry Hodges

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10 of 10     Posted Oct-6 9:24 PM Msg 19687.10 reply to 19687.9 falut1
From falut1Messsage 19687.10
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Hola Larry,

I can play you for 1U$ this weekend. You will get the tshirt regardless.

Micky

 

 

 
From MaYunMesssage 19687.12
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Hahahaha, now I know what you look like in games Larry.

I'm not impressed.

 

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indicative of Larry's true level when it counts the most...about 800 Canadian.

Fascinating statement by Rick Anderson of Vancouver, Canada. That would make him better than me, despite my two wins against him challenge matches in January by scores of 5,3,3,0 and 3,6,4,1! Since I already have a Canadian rating of about 2100, his 800 estimate seems a bit off, as the scores of our matches indicate.

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larrytt wrote:
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indicative of Larry's true level when it counts the most...about 800 Canadian.

Fascinating statement by Rick Anderson of Vancouver, Canada. That would make him better than me, despite my two wins against him challenge matches in January by scores of 5,3,3,0 and 3,6,4,1! Since I already have a Canadian rating of about 2100, his 800 estimate seems a bit off, as the scores of our matches indicate.

-Larry Hodges


The "Challenge Match"..lol..the one where I tried to hustle you and didnt by playing with my wrong hand to let you win in an effort to have you put up the big odds you bragged about....

such a skid..

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From Larrytt (larrytt1)Messsage 19687.13
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>Hahahaha, now I know what you look like in games Larry.

>I'm not impressed.

Based on the two points shown, neither would I. It figures someone would post two of my worst points in one of my worst losses at the very end of the match (11-9 in the 7th after many other matches that day) when I'm very, very tired. I beat the same player 3-1 earlier in the day. I'm actually a pretty aggressive forehand attacker in most matches, although I vary that tactically.

Watch many of the points that Samsonov played against Waldner at the 2001 Worlds, and he wouldn't be very impressive either. It's easy to pick and choose points to make a player look bad. it sure would have been nice if Robert had instead posted my -2,6,8,9 win over this player earlier in the day, or my 8,8,9 win over Doan Le (2173) or my 3,9,8 win over Lloyd McQueen (2143), or my close match with Tuan Le (2342), where he won -9,9,9,12.

I can easily give a list of tournament wins I've had against players that international players could relate to, such as Kazeem Badru (2500+ rated), a member of the Nigerian National Team; Insook Bhushan (about 2450), former Korean Team Member and #9 in the world, while she was U.S. champion; then U.S. Over 40 Champion and former Phillipines Champion Rey Domingo (2450+), etc. These aren't international stars (well, Insook was), but some pretty good players.

Back to work.

-Larry Hodges

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14 of 15     Posted 12:55 AM Msg 19687.14 reply to 19687.10 Larrytt (larrytt1)
From Larrytt (larrytt1)Messsage 19687.14
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>I can play you for 1U$ this weekend. You will get the tshirt regardless.

I don't expect to be at the club this weekend. Too much USATT work. Besides, considering all the snide comments you make about me, why would you want to play me?

-Larry Hodges

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15 of 15     Posted 1:37 AM Msg 19687.15 reply to 19687.9 CLegout
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I'm pretty busy with work right now, but I'll put up half the cost (up to $300 or so) towards Clegout's (Mark Gorse) air fair to come out here and play me a match this weekend for $1000. I was in Vancouver in January, and clobbered him 10 -1 in games. It's his turn to come here. Or he can come to a 4-star USATT Tournament, and I'll play him a match for $1000. Offer is good until the USA Nationals in December, but he has to agree to it by this weekend. I'm almost 46, I'm out of shape, he should have no problem with me, right? :)

Then you admit that you used a trip paid for by the USATT to engage in illegal betting activities. Here you are again.

I propose we hold a different type of contest. Using the soon to be updated rating conversion chart, I propose we see who has the higher rating in one year. If my Canadian rating, converted to American, at the end of one year, is higher than yours, you have to admit on camera in a tape forwarded to me that you purposefully took an all expenses paid trip by the USATT to play Rick Anderson in Vancouver. You will then state that I am better than you once and for all.
If your rating is higher than mine, I will go on camera and state that Larry Hodges is a better player than myself and I will lie that I making up this story about you.

 

From Larrytt (larrytt1)Messsage 19687.16
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>I propose we hold a different type of contest. Using the soon to be updated rating conversion chart, I propose we see who has the higher rating in one year.

Nope, because I'm no longer training, and you are, and all you need is one good tournament. How about if you have one year to top my best rating?

But this is silly. We'll settle it with another challenge match, for $1000. Why don't you want to settle it his way? C',mon, you're training regularly, you're in your 20s and in top shape, while I'm an out of shape 45-year-old who's out of practice. It should be free money for you, right? :)  You should be much better than when we played in January, right?

>you have to admit on camera in a tape forwarded to me that you purposefully took an all expenses paid trip by the USATT to play Rick Anderson in Vancouver.

You want me to lie? Sorry, no can do.

-Larry Hodges

 

 
 

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From CLegoutMesssage 19687.17
To  Larrytt (larrytt1)     
Nope, because I'm no longer training, and you are, and all you need is one good tournament. How about if you have one year to top my best rating?

But you are starting out with an advantage.  My rating converted into American is lower than yours. Hence you should take this and win, right?
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18 of 18     Posted 2:28 AM Msg 19687.18 reply to 19687.17 Larrytt (larrytt1)
From Larrytt (larrytt1)Messsage 19687.18
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>But you are starting out with an advantage.  My rating converted into American is lower than yours. Hence you should take this and win, right?

No, because you have a whole year to go up, while I won't since I'm no longer in training.

Actually, you have a big advantage anyway. Ratings have inflated, so my highest published rating, 2292, would be much higher in modern ratings. I was 18th in the U.S. at my highest; check out what that corresponds to now.

But I'm not really interested in this. Let's just play a challenge match for $1000. I beat you 10-1 in games in January, back when you claimed you could flip all my serves aggressively; don't you want to get that off your back?

Tell you what, I'll even give you an "out" to win your money back. If I beat you for $1000, I'll let you go double or nothing, and I'll play with a clipboard. Unless I can beat you with a clipboard, you can't lose any money! You can only win! How's that for a deal?

-Larry Hodges

 

From Robert Trudell (mesapong)Messsage 19687.19
To  Larrytt (larrytt1)     Unread

> Based on the two points shown,

It was 3 points and you won the first 2 of 3.

--Rob

 

From Larrytt (larrytt1)Messsage 19687.20
To  Robert Trudell (mesapong)     

>It was 3 points and you won the first 2 of 3.

It's near the end of the day, I've played many matches, I'm exhausted, and at this point I'm practically standing up straight. My shots are now awkward and poor. They may hit, but the technique isn't very good at this point.

By the way, the delay when I was looking back was because of some sort of commotion on a table behind me.

-Larry Hodges

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21 of 46     Posted Oct-7 9:55 AM Msg 19687.21 reply to 19687.14 falut1
From falut1Messsage 19687.21
To  Larrytt (larrytt1)     

Hola Larry,

"I don't expect to be at the club this weekend. Too much USATT work. Besides, considering all the snide comments you make about me, why would you want to play me?

-Larry Hodges"

Oh damn. Now I understand why you treated me so cold over the phone. I don't know what snide means but whatever comments I made about you whether good or bad were not personal. It would be an honor for me to meet you.

Micky

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From Robert Trudell (mesapong)Messsage 19687.22
To  Larrytt (larrytt1)     

> They may hit, but the technique isn't very good at this point.

When I first started watching video of myself, I thought my technique looked worse than how I pictured it in my mind.

--Rob

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