Binghu Ren - How to read and return tricky Table Tennis Serves

Binghu Ren teaches Ping Larsen (Fuschino) how to read and return tricky penhold Table Tennis serves.

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thank you rob very interesting, can i put this links on my website to help italian ping pong players? i will write very large your copyright

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please which kind of rubbers is the girl using? only pimple in or also a long pimpled?

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he has 2 tricky serves, and he dosent even give her practise at returning them.

the gentel topspin serve that looks much like a heavy chop serve and his reverse serve are the only decent serves he did. the rest were long rubbish.

I will say tho, his topspin that looked like chop would have probally fooled me for the first few times. I was not sure at what time he contacted it...

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I think he just tones it down so that she gets practice against serves from players of her own calibre. My father and my coach does it as well, still figuring out how to do that heavy backspin/topspin serve. It seems a lot of the older players have it in their arsenals.

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lucioping wrote:

thank you rob very interesting, can i put this links on my website to help italian ping pong players? i will write very large your copyright

You are welcome to put the link on your website.

Thanks for asking.

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lucioping wrote:

please which kind of rubbers is the girl using? only pimple in or also a long pimpled?

I don't recall Ping ever using long pimples. She has only used Short Pips and Inverted rubbers that I can remember.

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I just looked at the video, frankly speaking it is not difficult to determine the type of spin of his service, but wheather we can return the ball properly is another story.

Anyone able to determine the type of spin from Ma Lin's serve ?

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i agree that ma lin's serves are very well hidden - best of all penhold players hands down. his match against maze at the world championships was a serving clinic at times. this enables him to utilize his famous 3rd ball attack. for this reason, ma is one of my most admired players. his disguise of side down and side top spin is incredible.

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mafia wrote:

I just looked at the video, frankly speaking it is not difficult to determine the type of spin of his service, but wheather we can return the ball properly is another story.

Anyone able to determine the type of spin from Ma Lin's serve ?

the only person who can tell you that would be his coach(es) and, i guess, wang liqin, who apparently doesn't have a problem returning them at all...

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mafia wrote:

I just looked at the video, frankly speaking it is not difficult to determine the type of spin of his service, but wheather we can return the ball properly is another story.

Anyone able to determine the type of spin from Ma Lin's serve ?

the only person who can tell you that would be his coach(es) and, i guess, wang liqin, who apparently doesn't have a problem returning them at all...

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ma lins whole game is built around

confusing serve
confused return
Bang....3rd ball kill

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Thats what people mean when they say that Ma Lin's worst opponents are always his teammates. When you play each other all the time the gap between the levels decrease tremendously. Add to that the fact that the fast attacking game is based around confusing your opponent until you kill the ball and Ma Lin is at a huge disadvantage every time he plays someone he trains with, especially Wang Liqin since they are technically the same level.

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Does anybody know how he makes this topspin serve which looks like a chop serve ?

His motions are to quick for me to find it out.

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Jimbotbs wrote:

Does anybody know how he makes this topspin serve which looks like a chop serve ?

His motions are to quick for me to find it out.

Make a little Z motion in the vertical direction while the paddle is moving forward. Contact the ball on the upward portion of the Z.

Perhaps a picture would help clarify what I'm trying to say.

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Jimbotbs wrote:

Does anybody know how he makes this topspin serve which looks like a chop serve ?

His motions are to quick for me to find it out.

Disguised Topspin Service Motion Diagram

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Jimbotbs wrote:

Does anybody know how he makes this topspin serve which looks like a chop serve ?

His motions are to quick for me to find it out.

Its similar to this Topspin Serve:

Topspin Serve.

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@ Robert

Thank you. You really helped me.

I think hitting the ball at the right time is very difficult. I am going to try this in training.

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so tat animation gif is a top spin serve? so he does the "direction of travel" in ur pic to make it look like bakspin? but it looks like not much top spin, more like no spin/lil top spin. he contact the ball in the middle

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lemoncola wrote:

so tat animation gif is a top spin serve? so he does the "direction of travel" in ur pic to make it look like bakspin? but it looks like not much top spin, more like no spin/lil top spin. he contact the ball in the middle

Yes, that is a fairly heavy topspin in the animation gif.

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2 of 6 Posted Dec-2 7:57 AM	Msg 20181.2 reply to 20181.1
From Cole_Ely To Robert Trudell (mesapong)

That was an excellent video! The best serve/return video I've ever seen. That guy is a truly great server. The one where he quickly comes up then chops down is so smooth. I had to really work to tell myself he was hitting it on the way up. Yeah, it's not in english, but if you watch her returns you can tell very easilly what he was doing. Thanks for posting that one. That was a treat!

3 of 6 Posted Dec-2 9:02 AM	Msg 20181.3 reply to 20181.2
From opinari To Cole_Ely

I only watched part of it, but it's a great video. I'm not sure who put the subtitles, and if they were joking :), but "la" means loop. At that moment he's telling her to sidestep and loop the ball. He also criticizes her for being too fast and hard sometimes.

4 of 6 Posted Dec-2 11:11 AM	Msg 20181.4 reply to 20181.3
From Robert Trudell (mesapong) To opinari

> I'm not sure who put the subtitles, and if they were joking :), but "la" means loop.

I put the subtitles in. I was thinking "la qiu" (la cho) meant something like "put a little pepper" on the ball or hit it a little faster. I was only guessing though.

Thanks for the insight.

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5 of 6 Posted Dec-2 7:10 PM	Msg 20181.5 reply to 20181.2
From Robert Trudell (mesapong) To Cole_Ely

Thanks Cole.

Here's the same video on Google Video:

How to read and return tricky table tennis serves - Ping Pong Instructions

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6 of 6 Posted Dec-4 2:40 PM	Msg 20181.6 reply to 20181.5
From opinari To Robert Trudell (mesapong)

Thanks for putting these videos up. They're a great help.