Han Xiao vs. Barney Reed - Team Trial

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4 of 12 Posted 9:53 AM	Msg 20508.4 reply to 20508.3
From MarcoHere To Robert Trudell (mesapong)

Can anyone comment on why Barney was able to beat Han 4-0? Does Han always lose to Barney? Is it a matter of style? I thought Han was playing well this tourney, but he didn't look too good against Barney here.

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5 of 12 Posted 11:37 AM	Msg 20508.5 reply to 20508.4
From Robert Trudell (mesapong) To MarcoHere

This match was:

W
2,9,-5,6,-9,9

Barney credited and thanked Johnny Huang for this win.

--Rob

Arizona Table Tennis Online

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6 of 12 Posted 11:56 AM	Msg 20508.6 reply to 20508.5
From MarcoHere To Robert Trudell (mesapong)

hmmmm, must have it confused with something else....did they play twice? anyway, I'm at 25% now I suppose by tonight I can watch the match.

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7 of 12 Posted 11:59 AM	Msg 20508.7 reply to 20508.6
From JoeBruin1 (JoeBruin4) To MarcoHere

http://64.144.108.98/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3122&Pid=29982&Blow=1

Reed Jr., Barney J.

2005 US Nationals Championships

Rating before tournament: 2504 (adjusted to 2558)

Rating after tournament: 2586

Rating change: 82

Men's Team Trials

Xiao, Han (2572) complete history

2,9,-5,6,-9,9 10

Men's Team Trials

Xiao, Han (2572) complete history

10,10,11,9 10

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8 of 12 Posted 12:39 PM	Msg 20508.8 reply to 20508.7
From MarcoHere To JoeBruin1 (JoeBruin4)

hmmmm, looks like Han has some problems with Barney's game.

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9 of 12 Posted 12:44 PM	Msg 20508.9 reply to 20508.8
From JoeBruin1 (JoeBruin4) To MarcoHere

hmmmm, looks like Han has some problems with Barney's game.

He didn't at the previous Nationals:

http://64.144.108.98/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=2741&Pid=1631&Blow=1

Xiao, Han

2004 USA Nationals Championships

Rating before tournament: 2570

Rating after tournament: 2564

Rating change: -6

Men's Team Trials

Reed Jr., Barney J. (2592) complete history

1,5,12,4 10

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10 of 12 Posted 1:28 PM	Msg 20508.10 reply to 20508.6
From Robert Trudell (mesapong) To MarcoHere

On the Analog version you can here Cheng coaching Han during the match.

Johnny's coaching can be heard on the digital version.

--Rob

Arizona Table Tennis Online

Han Xiao vs Barney Reed-USA Men's Trials

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12 of 12 Posted 4:48 PM	Msg 20508.12 reply to 20508.11
From MarcoHere To Robert Trudell (mesapong)

That was a pretty sick point at 10-2.

Han ripped the ball around the net up the line, just barely hitting the corner of the table but Barney was there.

I think I'm stating to see why Han lost. He is playing patterns. He seems to not look at the opponent before he makes his shot. He seems to be using patterns that might be good against a righty, but not against a lefty (for example, he keeps making strong loops into Barney's forehand). Also, I don't see any sidespin when Han goes cross court. It just goes right into the corner, right into Barney's waiting backhand block. The one and only time that Han went to Barney's middle he got the point. (This was at 3:12, actually it was just a push off of serve return.)

I'm not sure what specific advice to give to Han at this moment, but in general he needs to hit a bit slower and with a bit more placement; in general he should incorporate some sidespin into his forehand cross court, just as his coach does, and of course watch his opponent more. Right now he hits very hard and quick off the bounce but still it is a bit predictable Seems to be almost always the same speed and spin too- just full blast.

I'm really a bit surprised that Han doesn't have more of Cheng's ball placement and patience. Maybe Cheng (and Lupy) make it look easy. Oh well.. I mean, from where I'm sitting it seems that with just a few minor adjustments that Han can be 2700. But I know it's always easier said than done.

I think the "swinging for the fences" thing doesn't work very well after 2400. But anyway, Barney played well.

Marco

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Han Xiao vs Barney Reed-USA Men's Trials

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Format: Top four seeds are seeded into Final Twelve (two groups of six). Other players play single elimination draw to quarterfinals, with those eight players advancing to Final Twelve. Top two players in Final Twelve play crossover Semifinals and Final, and other players play crossovers for position. Top four players make National Team.

Xiao, Han

2005 US Nationals Championships

Rating before tournament: 2572

Rating after tournament: 2571

Rating change: -1

Reed Jr., Barney J.

2005 US Nationals Championships

Rating before tournament: 2504 (adjusted to 2558)

Rating after tournament: 2586

Rating change: 82

Men's Singles Final Twelve - Two Groups of Six
Group One	Lupulesku	Hazinski	Xiao	Owens	Reed	Chui	Record	Standings
Ilija Lupulesku		W 4,8,5,-6,12	W 4,11,8,8	W 6,3,6,7	W 7,4,2,9	W 7,9,8,7	5-0	1
Mark Hazinski	L 1-4		L 3-4	W 5,9,5,7	W 3,4,5,-5,8	W 6,6,7,-10,5	3-2	2
Han Xiao	L 0-4	W -8,9,-7,-6,7,8,6		W 3,-14,-12,9,5,10	L 2-4	W -6,-11,8,5,5,5	3-2	3
Eric Owens	L 0-4	L 0-4	L 2-4		L 1-4	W 3,8,2,5	1-4	5
Barney J. Reed	L 0-4	L 1-4	W 2,9,-5,6,-9,9	W 5,6,-7,6,6		W 6,8,-8,4,-7,7	3-2	4
Chi-Sun Chui	L 0-4	L 1-4	L 2-4	L 0-4	L 2-4		0-5	6

Group Two	Zhuang	Cheng	Hugh	Gabriel	Shao	Rop	Record	Standings
David Zhuang		L 1-4	W 10,6,-11,-7,7,10	W 4,4,6,6	W 9,6,7,7	W 5,9,-10,-19,4,6	4-1	3
Cheng Yinghua	W 4,8,5,-6,12		L 2-4	W 7,9,-10,6,-11,11	W 4,5,7,9	W -8,-8,4,10,6,7	4-1	1
Adam Hugh	L 2-4	W -6,6,7,-4,4,7		W 9,-6,10,2,17	W 8,-12,5,7,6	W -5,9,9,-8,9,-11,10	4-1	2
Freddie Gabriel	L 0-4	L 2-4	L 1-4		L 2-4	W -4,-5,8,9,-6,10,4	1-4	5
Shao Yu	L 0-4	L 0-4	L 1-4	W -7,7,9,7,-9,8		L 1-4	1-4	6
Darko Rop	L 2-4	L 2-4	L 3-4	L 3-4	W 5,7,-8,11,4		1-4	4